Wednesday 23 March 2011

Self-Levelling Suspension

UPDATE: Thanks to SupplyantSimon (see comments) who has provided the answer, "A conversion kit is available from www.pedders.co.uk to convert the car to non-self-levelling. It works really well and saves you over £500".

Much confusion surrounds the Forester's self-levelling suspension and Subaru does little to enlighten anyone.

The issue is caused by the facts that the rear struts/shock absorbers on the Forester S Turbo made between 1997 and 2002 are self-levelling, they cost about three times the price of ordinary struts, making the cost of replacement around £800, and they are inclined to break.

The Forester can take a lot of luggage in the back and the struts' SLS valves do not seem to be able to cope with a fully loaded car with, in my case, three bikes on the back as well.

These are the facts as I understand them.

The 1997-2002 Forester is called the SF model. The SF S Turbo has self-levelling rear suspension. Other SF models do not.

The self-levelling suspension is completely contained within the strut and works by using the bouncing of the car when in motion to pump the strut to the right level. It is NOT adjustable suspension, like that on a Range Rover or BMW which usually involves an external pump controlled from the dashboard. No electricity is involved. If you heavily load the car, it will sag at the back, but, after you have driven for a kilometre or so, the struts should pump themselves up to the right level.

When the car is correctly supported the bottom edge of the car is parallel with the road surface and the space between the tyre and the wheelarch is much the same at the front and the back, about three inches. You can easily put your fist in the space.

Subaru Forester S Turbo with new SLS struts
Struts on earlier models are bright green and have an extra reservoir attached to the outside. Struts on later models, like mine, are black and have no reservoir. Both are branded Subaru Tokiko. Subaru replaces each type of strut with the same type suggesting, but not proving, that they are not interchangeable. 

The struts are not just shock absorbers and they incorporate some springiness of their own. Springiness is therefore provided by both the coil spring and the strut.

The use of self-levelling struts with inbuilt springiness allows the use of a softer coil spring than with a conventional strut. If you replace the SLS struts with conventional struts without changing the springs to a stiffer version, the car will ride several inches too low. Cars that ride like this either have struts with broken self-levelling or they have the wrong strut/spring combination.

Breaking the SLS part of the struts does not necessarily cause the struts to leak and they may continue to work properly as shock absorbers. This caused my non-Subaru garage to believe that there was nothing wrong with mine and to replace the springs instead. However there was nothing wrong with the old springs and they have now been put back on the car with new SLS struts.

It would, presumably, be possible for working self-levelling suspension to conceal sagging springs because the  struts would raise the car, if not heavily loaded, to compensate. However this seems unlikely an unlikely scenario because the springs seem very durable. Mine put up with broken self-levelling, and frequent bottoming out, for a long time. The struts seem to be the weak link.

Use of SLS struts with the wrong stiffer springs would presumably cause the car to ride several inches too high. 

There is much discussion about the use of non-SLS replacements because of the cost and reliability of the SLS struts. There is no doubt that, if this is possible, both the struts and the springs must be replaced together to ensure that the car rides at the correct height. I can see no reason why it should not be possible to use a non-SLS spring/strut combination from a non-SLS Forester or from a third party like often-mentioned KYB, but no authoratitive guidance is available.

KYB's website does not list any struts or springs for the SF S Turbo but it does list them for the SG S Turbo. The SG model was the post 2002 Forester shape so these are unlikely to suit the SF. (I was not aware that that there was an S Turbo version of this, but presumably there was.) When I have contacted KYB's technical help desk I have sometimes been told that there is a valid KYB replacement combination, and sometimes that there isn't. Other bloggers mention King Springs from Australia as a supplier but their website provides no specific information and they only seem to make springs.

Once I got confused, I found that Subaru UK unhelpfully passed me backwards and forwards between the parts department and the technical helpdesk. 

Although this does not provide the answer that anyone wants, i.e. details of an appropriate and reasonably priced non-SLS strut/spring combination, I hope it is informative.

12 comments:

  1. How about using Non-SLS spring which stiffer and bit lower on SLS struts?

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  2. I think that that is likely to cause the car to sit too low, looking odd and causing it to bottom out more often, possibly leading to damage to the struts' SLS mechanism. I think you need to match non-SLS springs with non-SLS struts.

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  3. Inchblog, Very informative, Thank you. Ukjon

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  4. Hi, just thought i'd let you know that a conversion kit is available from www.pedders.co.uk to convert the car to non self levelling. It works really well and saves you over £500

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    1. Thanks, I have added the information at the top of the article.

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  5. Thank you! I think my problem also resolved ! agenor.juniorao@gmail.com

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  6. Hi I have a 2003 forester non turbo, my passenger side self lev unit was leaking I went to one of the local motor factors and to cut a long story sideways there is NO after market units that give the self levelling equipped foresters the ride height they have, the rear arms are different to the normal foresters so they can get the foresters ride height at 5" the standard chassis has a 2" ride height the pedders kits say they are replacements for the self levelling units I can assure you they are not I know as I have had 3 pedders units on my forester and all have gone back I have had Monroe sash Klein king they are know use although they say they are as the people that sell them have know idea between standard ride height and self levelling ride height, I wrote to subaru uk and let them know my feelings on the mater as basically they are controlling the mater and screwing us over with extortionate parts prices, you have an option fit standard ride height units plenty available and change the front struts as well the forester rides level but only 2" above the tops of the tyres any weight in the car bottoms it out or you buy genuine self levelling struts from subaru and get screwed on the price, I will never buy another forester again.

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    1. you're too short in your answer buying a Forester: " Never again."

      Why the car is great except the self leveling struts, they suck bigtime. search for Pedders. They can help you.

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    2. Total rubbish
      I'm an independant subaru specialist, all rear arms (lateral and trailing) are the same .
      After market non SLS struts fit 100%, we use kyb 334344 & 334345, match them with springs ra6028 and you get 445mm ride height (centre wheel hub to arch lip) .
      If want little more height or differing spring rate contact sprigcoil.co.uk, they do custom rear springs for forester, adding 10-15mm ride height good idea standard height subaru spec is 440mm +20 to -10mm . 455 is about ideal and 445 for the turbo as they run 10mm lower factory spec .
      spring around 80 to £130, shocks £50 each .
      Peddars nothing special .

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  7. Hi Folks,

    There's a alternative to this issue, search for Pedders. They have the strut with a stronger springcoil.

    They can replace the SLS strut with this one and all is fixed.

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  8. My 2001 SF Limited has the SLS system. I use my Forester to tow my vintage fibreglass boat here in Sydney. I'm upgrading the rear to non SLS as it bottoms when reversing the boat up my drive, even after a 5 km journey😎

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